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Comments on: Comic Update: Mr. Flash’s Very Bad Day http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/ opinions and news on web design Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:22:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Breton http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31452 Breton Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:50:27 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31452 @Thiago Adobe has some serious issues with SVG. They've had a bit of a bad history together. There's a lot of emotional baggage there. @Thiago Adobe has some serious issues with SVG. They’ve had a bit of a bad history together. There’s a lot of emotional baggage there.

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By: Thiago http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31445 Thiago Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:18:37 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31445 As Flash is vetorial, shouldn't the translation be made to SVG instead of Canvas? As Flash is vetorial, shouldn’t the translation be made to SVG instead of Canvas?

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By: Kyle Weems http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31444 Kyle Weems Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:21:13 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31444 @Franz - Nega as in short for negative as in "anti". Granted, "anti" would have been clearer. But I'll stick with "nega" in this case. ;) @Darren - That looks pretty neat! @John - Thanks for the link. There's a lot of nice information over there. @Matthew - I know that flash-based apps are possible. A link from a flash file in a page leading to the app store is a fairly neat idea. Heck, with some code-wrangling, you could do that now (assuming you have an app that provides whatever functionality the flash file was supposed to show.) @Franz – Nega as in short for negative as in “anti”. Granted, “anti” would have been clearer. But I’ll stick with “nega” in this case. ;)

@Darren – That looks pretty neat!

@John – Thanks for the link. There’s a lot of nice information over there.

@Matthew – I know that flash-based apps are possible. A link from a flash file in a page leading to the app store is a fairly neat idea. Heck, with some code-wrangling, you could do that now (assuming you have an app that provides whatever functionality the flash file was supposed to show.)

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By: Frans http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31443 Frans Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:56:03 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31443 <q> the iPad is something to the effect of an iPod Touch nega-Mini</q> Mega? Or (less likely) short for negative as in "anti"? :P the iPad is something to the effect of an iPod Touch nega-Mini

Mega? Or (less likely) short for negative as in “anti”? :P

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By: Matthew Fabb http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31442 Matthew Fabb Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:28:27 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31442 Added caption to the comic from Mr. Flash "... but Squirel, I can change! I can do multi-touch too!" (since the Flash Player 10.1 betas supports multi-touch). Also others have pointed out, Adobe has already been demoing canvas tags support in Dreamweaver with exporting content from both Flash and Illustrator. Meanwhile, Adobe is already talking about creating iPad applications from Flash CS5, on top of creating iPhone applications: http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html So I imagine pages for some Flash games and applications will detect if the user is coming from an iPhones or iPads and then instead of showing a little blue lego, will have a link to the iTunes store. Users can then download a native application of what they normally would have seen just through the browser. Added caption to the comic from Mr. Flash “… but Squirel, I can change! I can do multi-touch too!” (since the Flash Player 10.1 betas supports multi-touch).

Also others have pointed out, Adobe has already been demoing canvas tags support in Dreamweaver with exporting content from both Flash and Illustrator.

Meanwhile, Adobe is already talking about creating iPad applications from Flash CS5, on top of creating iPhone applications:
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html
So I imagine pages for some Flash games and applications will detect if the user is coming from an iPhones or iPads and then instead of showing a little blue lego, will have a link to the iTunes store. Users can then download a native application of what they normally would have seen just through the browser.

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By: CSSquirrel – Comic Update: Mr. Flash’s Very Bad Day | Rusty Swayne http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31441 CSSquirrel – Comic Update: Mr. Flash’s Very Bad Day | Rusty Swayne Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:48:33 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31441 [...] Web Design Studio’s Interactive Designer Kyle Weems‘ new comic Mr. Flash’s Very Bad Day depicts the controversy surrounding Apple not including a Flash plug-in on the new iPad. Kyle, I [...] [...] Web Design Studio’s Interactive Designer Kyle Weems‘ new comic Mr. Flash’s Very Bad Day depicts the controversy surrounding Apple not including a Flash plug-in on the new iPad. Kyle, I [...]

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By: John Dowdell http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31440 John Dowdell Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:26:46 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31440 <em>"If I were Adobe, I’d be looking into how to transition the Flash authoring tool from something that outputs only SWF files into something that produces pre-generated Canvas/JS/CSS code. A sort of interactive Dreamweaver on steroids."</em> Can you visualize what you're actually hoping to accomplish? Dreamweaver is nearing a major release, and will be producing files taking advantage of some of the new runtimes. More here: http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2010/02/adobe_authoring_for_html5.html jd/adobe “If I were Adobe, I’d be looking into how to transition the Flash authoring tool from something that outputs only SWF files into something that produces pre-generated Canvas/JS/CSS code. A sort of interactive Dreamweaver on steroids.”

Can you visualize what you’re actually hoping to accomplish? Dreamweaver is nearing a major release, and will be producing files taking advantage of some of the new runtimes. More here:
http://blogs.adobe.com/jd/2010/02/adobe_authoring_for_html5.html

jd/adobe

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By: Darren Osadchuk http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31439 Darren Osadchuk Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:52:34 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31439 'Dreamweaver on steriods' (and Flash, and Illustrator) were demoed at Adobe Max 2009. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA, and a nice summary here: http://kevinsuttle.com/how-adobe-made-the-flash-platform-beyond-future-proof. As a sneak peek, there's officially no guarantee this will ever see the light of day, but it looks promising. ‘Dreamweaver on steriods’ (and Flash, and Illustrator) were demoed at Adobe Max 2009. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA, and a nice summary here: http://kevinsuttle.com/how-adobe-made-the-flash-platform-beyond-future-proof.

As a sneak peek, there’s officially no guarantee this will ever see the light of day, but it looks promising.

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By: Kyle Weems http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31438 Kyle Weems Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:31:16 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31438 @Ragdoll - Flash as an animation tool is probably the one area I would weep the most about the disappearance of the plug-in. Now, if other export methods make it easy to embed the results in a browser, then I care little for the plug-in, and more for the results. @Ragdoll – Flash as an animation tool is probably the one area I would weep the most about the disappearance of the plug-in. Now, if other export methods make it easy to embed the results in a browser, then I care little for the plug-in, and more for the results.

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By: Ragdoll http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/02/09/comic-update-mr-flashs-very-bad-day/comment-page-1/#comment-31437 Ragdoll Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:47:50 +0000 http://www.cssquirrel.com/?p=612#comment-31437 While Flash-as-interactive-experience should theoretically be okay, it has been used so incredibly poorly by people who don't understand the needs of the user, I won't shed a tear for its demise in that respect. You'd think after all these years SOMEONE would have created something worth remembering, but the 80/20 rule here is more like 99/1 or worse. As far as Flash cartoons go, this is where I'm seeing Flash remain successful (ironically, after working so hard to convert ActionScript to a full ECMA script, but games will also be marginally successful). Flash was an animation tool that fell into popularity by hackers who crammed it into a scripting language. Once HTML5 video gets sorted out, this is probably the extend to which Flash will be used. While Flash-as-interactive-experience should theoretically be okay, it has been used so incredibly poorly by people who don’t understand the needs of the user, I won’t shed a tear for its demise in that respect. You’d think after all these years SOMEONE would have created something worth remembering, but the 80/20 rule here is more like 99/1 or worse.

As far as Flash cartoons go, this is where I’m seeing Flash remain successful (ironically, after working so hard to convert ActionScript to a full ECMA script, but games will also be marginally successful). Flash was an animation tool that fell into popularity by hackers who crammed it into a scripting language. Once HTML5 video gets sorted out, this is probably the extend to which Flash will be used.

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