Comments on: Comic Update: Larry Ate HTML5

By: Larry Masinter

Larry Masinter — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:33:53 +0000

Still seems like “hooey” is an understatement; comments on http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/02/masinter-and-web-standards-oh-my.html.

By: Carlos Pacheco

Carlos Pacheco — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:58:58 +0000

Oops! It does not work that way… pardon. mannclay@gmail.com

By: Carlos Pacheco

Carlos Pacheco — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:57:50 +0000

You can click on my name if the (mailto) works this way. I was just getting into SGML, sort of learning it in the sense of the history of markup. And then it occurred to me that html5 has no DTD. so, in my newbiness I had to inquire.

By: Krzysztof Maczyński

Krzysztof Maczyński — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:47:54 +0000

Carlos, I’m going to try to update you on what you idea involves. (Quite a few people express something similar nowadays. Curiously enough, especially in regions where browsers other than IE have their strongholds.) How can you be contacted?

By: Carlos Pacheco

Carlos Pacheco — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:08:35 +0000

Ok… I am new to the markup geek world (working as webmaster for several clients). Is it possible to get a group of ultra markup geeks and oppose HTML5 with a markup of our own made in SGML? Is their any use for SGML in the future?

By: David Orchard

David Orchard — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:21:10 +0000

Kyle, I know it probably wouldn’t work in the comic and it would take away from the message, but you missed at least 3 important facts in your blog entry.

1. Larry didn’t hold up HTML(5). He objected to the publication of different documents, not the html(5) spec. So claiming that he’s holding up HTML(5) is dishonest as well.

2. The documents he objected to publication are not currently part of the WG’s charter, and do not have a status section that states what is going on with them. Are they now deliverables, ie going through the Last Call, Candidate Recomendation, Recomendation process? Are they going to be just WG Notes? One of the documents, the MicroData spec, is roughly Ian’s counter-proposal to HTML-RDFa.

3. The W3C has two mailing lists for HTML for the sole purpose of trying to reduce the traffic for the people interested in the technical areas of development. The private list is only for administrative manners. Many people that want to contribute technically are already overwhelmed with the public mailing list and couldn’t care less about telcon agendas, action items assigned and completed, bug reports updated, etc. The private for administrative and public for technical discussion is very consistent with the W3C’s behavior of many years.

Larry’s actions seem incredibly reasonable to me, and basically are part of the process of having other experienced parties involved in the W3C working groups.

By: Doug Schepers

Doug Schepers — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:36:46 +0000

If anyone is interested in the far less exciting and scandalous W3C FAQ about this critically important and earthshaking drama, go here:

http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/02/working_group_publication_requ.html

By: dw

dw — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:44:56 +0000

So a Formal Objection is now a “hold?” That’s even more ridiculous than accusing someone working in secret through a public mailing list.

By: Dustin Hansen

Dustin Hansen — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:20:00 +0000

That is so unfair, I’m sure Larry is capable of eating atleast two babies at a time. I mean, realllly. ;-)

By: mattur

mattur — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:09 +0000

http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-html-wg-minutes.html#item07