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		<title>By: Chaals</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32278</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan, compare and contrast. About a decade ago, Microsoft announced that they had some patents related to styling, and pushed W3C to develop a policy ensure royalty-free licenses would support the open standard and allow anyone to build on it. In the group I co-chair now (web-apps), Apple have twice claimed they have patents that cover essential technology and are not prepared to offer a non-discriminatory license to them *under any terms*. In both cases, the claims have been analysed and appear to be completely bogus.

As to your substantive question: right now there is no single format that is natively implemented in all browsers. Indeed, a certain company in Cupertino has threatened (with nothing more than FUD-inducing weasel words) the Ogg Theora format with unspecified patent suits, in a move which is presumably designed to frighten implementors away. However, many other organisations manage to encode video in a couple of formats, and it would seem unlikely that Apple doesn&#039;t have the marketing money available to make some intern do the few minutes of work that is required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan, compare and contrast. About a decade ago, Microsoft announced that they had some patents related to styling, and pushed W3C to develop a policy ensure royalty-free licenses would support the open standard and allow anyone to build on it. In the group I co-chair now (web-apps), Apple have twice claimed they have patents that cover essential technology and are not prepared to offer a non-discriminatory license to them *under any terms*. In both cases, the claims have been analysed and appear to be completely bogus.</p>
<p>As to your substantive question: right now there is no single format that is natively implemented in all browsers. Indeed, a certain company in Cupertino has threatened (with nothing more than FUD-inducing weasel words) the Ogg Theora format with unspecified patent suits, in a move which is presumably designed to frighten implementors away. However, many other organisations manage to encode video in a couple of formats, and it would seem unlikely that Apple doesn&#8217;t have the marketing money available to make some intern do the few minutes of work that is required.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Taylor</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32166</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorian Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways it&#039;s in the interest (if you squint) of the MPEG group to take the position it does on H.264, since its heritage is based around (and constituents are) large electronics manufacturers and content distributors. It only takes a few smart people to make something like a codec, but it takes massive political pull to get it adopted. Of course, cash has historically been a decent surrogate for political pull.

The interesting thing about protocols and interchange formats is that they thrive by adoption. Part of what makes the web (or rather, the internet) so powerful is that you don&#039;t have to pay anybody for the right to commercialize the use of these protocols and data formats, and that doing so makes the whole more valuable. Even more interesting is the apparent chilling effect the mere presence of a patent elicits, despite a royalty-free license (such as with XPointer, many moons ago). It&#039;ll be interesting to see if the vested interests can muscle their standard into being.

All that said, it&#039;s a bit of semantic hocus-pocus to tout H.264 as an &lt;em&gt;open&lt;/em&gt; standard when it only in the narrowest of interpretations &lt;em&gt;free&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways it&#8217;s in the interest (if you squint) of the MPEG group to take the position it does on H.264, since its heritage is based around (and constituents are) large electronics manufacturers and content distributors. It only takes a few smart people to make something like a codec, but it takes massive political pull to get it adopted. Of course, cash has historically been a decent surrogate for political pull.</p>
<p>The interesting thing about protocols and interchange formats is that they thrive by adoption. Part of what makes the web (or rather, the internet) so powerful is that you don&#8217;t have to pay anybody for the right to commercialize the use of these protocols and data formats, and that doing so makes the whole more valuable. Even more interesting is the apparent chilling effect the mere presence of a patent elicits, despite a royalty-free license (such as with XPointer, many moons ago). It&#8217;ll be interesting to see if the vested interests can muscle their standard into being.</p>
<p>All that said, it&#8217;s a bit of semantic hocus-pocus to tout H.264 as an <em>open</em> standard when it only in the narrowest of interpretations <em>free</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Weems</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32165</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan - In the absence of an open standard, how about a stream that is universally accessible by the major browsers? Those do exist, and granted they require plugins, but at least then it&#039;s not a single vendor&#039;s fan club that gets the resulting product.

I&#039;m willing to accept that we need crutches on our way towards an open web, but I don&#039;t accept intentional garden walls as part of that path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8211; In the absence of an open standard, how about a stream that is universally accessible by the major browsers? Those do exist, and granted they require plugins, but at least then it&#8217;s not a single vendor&#8217;s fan club that gets the resulting product.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to accept that we need crutches on our way towards an open web, but I don&#8217;t accept intentional garden walls as part of that path.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie (Sullivan) Rewis</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32164</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie (Sullivan) Rewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ragdoll Please read up on H.264. It&#039;s only free if your not making any money with what you&#039;re encoding. In a nutshell, still a no-go for big companies or browser vendors. It really changes nothing at all, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ragdoll Please read up on H.264. It&#8217;s only free if your not making any money with what you&#8217;re encoding. In a nutshell, still a no-go for big companies or browser vendors. It really changes nothing at all, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragdoll</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragdoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>h.264 isn&#039;t REALLY that encumbered anymore, since the group that owns it recently declared that it will be free to encode/decode forever.

Also, while I agree that it&#039;s hypocritical to claim that the webcast was shown using open standards, I&#039;ve been thinking about how rough the waters are going to get in the future. Just like with Navigator vs. Explorer, browsers are battling it out for market share, and this means new features, and incompatible standards.

Remember at An Event Apart when Jeff Veen talked about getting it done and iterating quickly? Browser vendors are doing just that, whether it be IE&#039;s &quot;web accelerators&quot;, Safari&#039;s CSS3 animation, or Firefox&#039;s .webm support, these companies are trying to advance technology while pushing their own agenda.

It&#039;s going to be a long time before we can rely on any of these technologies with any confidence, but it&#039;s surely a good thing that there are people out there already putting them to the test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>h.264 isn&#8217;t REALLY that encumbered anymore, since the group that owns it recently declared that it will be free to encode/decode forever.</p>
<p>Also, while I agree that it&#8217;s hypocritical to claim that the webcast was shown using open standards, I&#8217;ve been thinking about how rough the waters are going to get in the future. Just like with Navigator vs. Explorer, browsers are battling it out for market share, and this means new features, and incompatible standards.</p>
<p>Remember at An Event Apart when Jeff Veen talked about getting it done and iterating quickly? Browser vendors are doing just that, whether it be IE&#8217;s &#8220;web accelerators&#8221;, Safari&#8217;s CSS3 animation, or Firefox&#8217;s .webm support, these companies are trying to advance technology while pushing their own agenda.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a long time before we can rely on any of these technologies with any confidence, but it&#8217;s surely a good thing that there are people out there already putting them to the test.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Court</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32162</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motion JPEG</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Cannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you guys didn&#039;t answer my question: what should they have used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you guys didn&#8217;t answer my question: what should they have used?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie (Sullivan) Rewis</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32160</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie (Sullivan) Rewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, HTTP Live Streaming was created by Apple and is included in QuickTime. It has been submitted (in first draft) to possibly become a standard. It isn&#039;t a standard at all. 

So no, it&#039;s not a step in the right direction to lock anyone not using your product (that is not a standard at all) out. Can they do it? Sure. It was their announcements. But they don&#039;t need to be defended for doing it. That is all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, HTTP Live Streaming was created by Apple and is included in QuickTime. It has been submitted (in first draft) to possibly become a standard. It isn&#8217;t a standard at all. </p>
<p>So no, it&#8217;s not a step in the right direction to lock anyone not using your product (that is not a standard at all) out. Can they do it? Sure. It was their announcements. But they don&#8217;t need to be defended for doing it. That is all. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Weems</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/09/08/comic-update-webcast-interrupted/comment-page-1/#comment-32159</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan - H.264 -is- patent-encumbered. And the particular technique used (HTTP Live Streaming) is only supported on Apple devices (not even only in Apple browsers). To call it an open standard stream is more than misrepresentation, it&#039;s deceit. If Microsoft did it, we&#039;d call them down for it. How is Apple different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8211; H.264 -is- patent-encumbered. And the particular technique used (HTTP Live Streaming) is only supported on Apple devices (not even only in Apple browsers). To call it an open standard stream is more than misrepresentation, it&#8217;s deceit. If Microsoft did it, we&#8217;d call them down for it. How is Apple different?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kozakewich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kozakewich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unirregardlessly disirregardful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unirregardlessly disirregardful.</p>
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