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		<title>More On HTML5 Semantics</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been a few days since I wrote my post (and comic) entitled The Value of Meaning, wherein I registered my objection to Divya Manian&#8217;s article about HTML5 semantics called Our Pointless Pursuit of Semantic Value. In that time there&#8217;s been a great deal of continuing discussion on the topic from a lot of intelligent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a few days since I wrote my post (and comic) entitled <a title="The Value of Meaning" href="http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/11/11/the-value-of-meaning/" target="_blank">The Value of Meaning</a>, wherein I registered my objection to Divya Manian&#8217;s article about HTML5 semantics called <a title="Our Pointless Pursuit of Semantic Value" href="http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2011/11/11/our-pointless-pursuit-of-semantic-value/" target="_blank">Our Pointless Pursuit of Semantic Value</a>. In that time there&#8217;s been a great deal of continuing discussion on the topic from a lot of intelligent people that&#8217;s worth pointing out in case you missed it.</p>
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<li>Firstly, there was a great <a href="http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/11/11/the-value-of-meaning/#comments" target="_blank">comment thread</a> on my post including voices such as Divya&#8217;s. Check it out.</li>
<li>In particular, you should read <a href="http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/11/11/the-value-of-meaning/#comment-32454" target="_blank">John Foliot&#8217;s response at the end</a>.</li>
<li>Jeremy Keith&#8217;s <a title="Pursuing Semantic Value" href="http://adactio.com/journal/4999/" target="_blank">Pursuing Semantic Value</a> is a must-read. In it he agrees with Divya&#8217;s core message, notes an issue with tone, and guides you through the process of where his agreement with that core message takes him to a very different conclusion.</li>
<li>Steve Faulkner replies to Jeremy&#8217;s article with a comment that grows up to being a full-sized article of its own: <a title="HTML5 Semantics and Accessibility" href="http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/11/html5-semantics-and-accessibility/" target="_blank">HTML5 Semantics and Accessibility</a>.</li>
<li>Paul Irish, a veritable Chuck Norris of web development, also wrote in response to Jeremy Keith with <a title="Semantics in practice and mapping semantic value to its consumers" href="http://paulirish.com/2011/semantics/" target="_blank">Semantics in practice and mapping semantic value to its consumers</a>.</li>
<li>John Foliot responds to Divya in a detailed, no-holds barred post that examines the merit (or lack thereof) of her speaking points about semantics in <a href="http://john.foliot.ca/my-thing-about-the-thing-that-thing-wrote-about-thing/" target="_blank">My Thing About the Thing That Thing Wrote About Thing</a>.</li>
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<p>If you have time, you should read all of these. They&#8217;re all written by intelligent people getting into the heart of the HTML5 semantics debate with more clarity and detail than I could ever manage.</p>
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		<title>Can Hixie&#8217;s &lt;Data&gt;leks Exterminate &lt;Time&gt;?</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/11/03/can-hixies-dataleks-exterminate-time/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edit: Roughly twenty minutes after I posted this, the W3C took action on the issue, insisting that the &#60;time&#62; element be placed back into the specification. You can read about it here. But please read on. It&#8217;s a good primer for the next time something like this happens. Contrary to what you may have already [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote style="font-style:normal;"><p><strong style="color:white;">Edit:</strong> Roughly twenty minutes after I posted this, the W3C took action on the issue, insisting that the &lt;time&gt; element be placed back into the specification. You can read about it <a title="w3c message" href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0011.html" target="_blank">here</a>. But please read on. It&#8217;s a good primer for the next time something like this happens.</p></blockquote>
<p>Contrary to what you may have already heard, the &lt;time&gt; element hasn&#8217;t disappeared from HTML.</p>
<p>Yes, officially &lt;time&gt; is currently not part of the HTML spec. (Thanks to the muddle that is &#8220;HTML Living Specification&#8221; I&#8217;ll be honest and admit I&#8217;m not sure if  is no longer part of HTML5 or it&#8217;s in some sort of Schrodinger&#8217;s Cat quantum-zombie state of existing in HTML5 but missing in the &#8220;ongoing HTML&#8221; that the WHATWG is proud to keep rolling down the conveyor belt.)</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not being used by authors (how&#8217;s Drupal builds, 2.6 million WordPress installs and the Boston Globe for you?) nor does it mean that is it not being used by user agents (ever-plucky Opera supports it).</p>
<p>What it means is that a single human being has decided that he doesn&#8217;t care for time one wit, and that a rather vague element called &lt;data&gt; can replace it instead.</p>
<p>This human is none other than Ian &#8220;The Benign Leviathan Dictator For Life&#8221; Hixie, editor for the HTML specification.</p>
<p>I could give you an explanation on how this scenario came to exist, but two Brits who are far more informed than I am (and likely slightly smarter) have made their own summaries. If you like knowing what&#8217;s going on (and I do) then go <a title="Timeless by Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/journal/4982/" target="_blank">read</a> <a title="Goodbye HTML5 Time, Hello Data by Bruce Lawson" href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/goodbye-html5-time-hello-data/" target="_blank">them</a>. These pair of fine gentlemen, Jeremy Keith and Bruce Lawson, <em>both</em> guest star in today&#8217;s comic as the good Doctor thanks to a little spot of regeneration, where they&#8217;re fighting the good fight against Hixie&#8217;s &lt;data&gt;leks.</p>
<p>Virtually every problem I have with a single person wielding so much power over such a fundamentally important pillar of the web as HTML can be summed up in this incident. &lt;Time&gt; is officially out, despite the lack of merit or consensus in that decision. And it took just one man to make that happen. Either through a lack of awareness or a genuine disregard for what authors are already doing, Ian has claimed incorrectly that &lt;time&gt; isn&#8217;t seeing adoption, isn&#8217;t useful, and should be canned. And because the only balance to his power is a rather tedious process to oust him, there&#8217;s no official remedy to bringing &lt;time&gt; back into the HTML fold than trying to convince him that its existence is a good thing.</p>
<p>From what I understand, it&#8217;s easier to keep red shirts alive on away missions than it is to change Ian&#8217;s opinion on something.</p>
<p>Fortunately, there&#8217;s a big difference between having no official remedy and having no remedy whatsoever.</p>
<p>As &#8220;authors&#8221;, we <em>are</em> the 99% of HTML5. We can follow Jeremy Keith&#8217;s sage advice:</p>
<blockquote><p>We can make a stand and simply carry on using the <code>time</code> element in our web pages. If we do, then we&#8217;ll see more parsers and browsers implementing support for the <code>time</code> element. The fact that our documentation has been ripped away makes this trickier but it&#8217;s such a demonstrably useful addition to HTML that  we cannot afford to throw it away based on the faulty logic of one  person.</p></blockquote>
<p>So as I said, &lt;time&gt; hasn&#8217;t disappeared from HTML. It&#8217;s still there on millions of sites already. And nothing is stopping us from putting it on millions more. It&#8217;s our chance to send those &lt;data&gt;leks packing. As soon as this post is finished I&#8217;m going to edit my site&#8217;s theme to make use of &lt;time&gt;. Hixie can go stuff it.</p>
<p>Occupy HTML5.</p>
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		<title>Comic: A Nacho Moment</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/02/14/comic-a-nacho-moment/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Featuring Jeffrey Zeldman, Jeremy Keith and Dave Shea, today&#8217;s comic highlights what makes good people on the Internet into great people. Humanity, it seems, is destined to fight with itself over every little detail. That&#8217;s probably not new information to you. Thanks to the Internet, we don&#8217;t even need stamps or to be in someone&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comic"><img src="/images/comic/cs080.png" alt="CSSquirrel #80: A Nacho Moment" /></div>
<p>Featuring <a title="Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://zeldman.com/" target="_blank">Jeffrey Zeldman</a>, <a title="Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a> and <a title="Dave Shea" href="http://mezzoblue.com/" target="_blank">Dave Shea</a>, <a title="CSSquirrel #80: A Nacho Moment" href="http://squeee.org/c/80">today&#8217;s comic</a> highlights what makes good people on the Internet into <em>great</em> people.</p>
<p>Humanity, it seems, is destined to fight with itself over every little detail. That&#8217;s probably not new information to you.</p>
<p>Thanks to the Internet, we don&#8217;t even need stamps or to be in someone&#8217;s physical presence to have these arguments. As anyone with a net connection knows, this means we will get into heated, acrimonious fights over topics as unimportant as who the hell was Papa Smurf&#8217;s partner in creating his dozens of smurf offspring. And we&#8217;ll stew over it. And we&#8217;ll <a title="xkcd: Duty Calls" href="http://xkcd.com/386/" target="_blank">386</a> someone because of it. And we&#8217;ll lose sleep and remove friends from Facebook over it.</p>
<p>As as developer/designer who follows the same category of people on Twitter, many of the Internet fights I witness involve web standards, the tools we use as developers, the erotic-sounding but thoroughly disappointing topic of <a title="Gawker Learns the Hard Way Why Hash-Bang URLs are Evil" href="http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/02/gawker-learns-the-hard-way-why-hash-bang-urls-are-evil/" target="_blank">hashbangs</a> and anything in between. Heck, I participate in these brawls, throwing acorns at the whole mess.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of reasons for these fights, but most often we argue because we <em>care</em>. The products we make as professionals mean a lot to us. We want the best for our medium and our industry, and so we get trenchant about Flash, HTML5, naming conventions, design techniques or the proper shade of blue. Because to us it matters. It matters a lot. And there is nothing wrong with that level of passion about your work. Quite the opposite. If you can&#8217;t imagine yourself fiercely defending what you do as an occupation, maybe you need a different career.</p>
<p>However, in the process we frequently seem to forget that we&#8217;re dealing with other people. Passionate people, some of which are just as informed as we are. Or even more so. And believe it or not, they&#8217;re entitled to have arrived at different conclusions than us. Yet, so often something about the Internet seems to boil away the concept of the right to <em>respectfully</em> disagree.</p>
<p>Last week, Zeldman and Keith got into a debate over a <a title="Andy Rutledge: Profit, Lies, Theft and Idiocy" href="http://www.andyrutledge.com/profit-lies-theft-and-idiocy.php" target="_blank">blog post by Andy Rutledge</a> on the subject of <a title="Kickstarter" href="http://www.kickstarter.com/" target="_blank">Kickstarter</a>. At times it <a title="tweet by Jeremy Keith" href="http://twitter.com/adactio/status/35005761297846272" target="_blank">seemed</a> <a title="tweet by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://twitter.com/zeldman/status/35096778147631104" target="_blank">heated</a>, and due to the nature of the medium they were debating in it was both very public and very abrupt. Then the next day Zeldman posted a series of tweets carefully reiterating his view, made it clear that Keith was his friend and simply saying &#8220;<a title="tweet by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://twitter.com/zeldman/status/35303169126961152" target="_blank">sorry</a>&#8221; for the whole confusion. In front of an audience of 144,000 followers. Jeremy <a title="tweet to Jeremy Keith" href="http://twitter.com/adactio/status/35301954850656256" target="_blank">replied</a> in the same vein.</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t seem amazing that two people apologize over a fight in public. But somehow, on today&#8217;s Internet, it&#8217;s all but unheard of.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a strange comfort in knowing that our Internet heroes are just as capable of the same fallacies we are. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s inspiring to see them follow it up by providing good examples by rising to a level of good behavior we rarely get to witness in social media today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve termed this sudden cessation of hostilities (without ceding the value of each party&#8217;s opinions) as a &#8220;<strong>nacho moment</strong>&#8220;, so named thanks to a moment of intentional, deliberate hilarity by Dave Shea best summarized by <a title="tweet by Dave Shea" href="http://twitter.com/mezzoblue/status/30329800291786752" target="_blank">this</a> <a title="tweet by Dave Shea" href="http://twitter.com/mezzoblue/status/30330718991155200" target="_blank">pair</a> of tweets. It&#8217;s a testament to his actions that I don&#8217;t even recall what large debate was going on before his tweets, but do know that afterward the Internet got a little less contentious and the Seattle area&#8217;s nacho sales rose just a bit.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t stop caring about the things you care about, whether it&#8217;s the Smurfs or funding crowdsourcing. But when you&#8217;re in a debate, have a nacho moment and remember you&#8217;re talking to other people. People who also care.</p>
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		<title>HTML5 Super Friends Assemble!</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2011/01/18/html5-super-friends-assemble/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today the W3C unveiled its new logo for HTML5. As you might notice, it&#8217;s quite fancy. The site&#8217;s pretty slick, as well. Today&#8217;s comic relates to this new logo, in a roundabout way, featuring Jeremy Keith, Bruce Lawson (or perhaps it&#8217;s Super Bruce) and Remy Sharp (Or is it SuperHTML5Rem?) in their guises as HTML5 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the W3C unveiled its <a title="W3C HTML5 Logo" href="http://www.w3.org/html/logo/index.html" target="_blank">new logo for HTML5</a>. As you might notice, it&#8217;s quite fancy.</p>
<p>The site&#8217;s pretty slick, as well.</p>
<p><a title="CSSquirrel #79: HTML5 Super Friends Assemble!" href="/comic/?comic=79">Today&#8217;s comic</a> relates to this new logo, in a roundabout way, featuring <a title="Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>, <a title="Bruce Lawson" href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/" target="_blank">Bruce Lawson</a> (or perhaps it&#8217;s <a title="@SuperHTML5Bruce" href="http://twitter.com/SuperHTML5Bruce" target="_blank">Super Bruce</a>) and <a title="Remy Sharp" href="http://remysharp.com/" target="_blank">Remy Sharp</a> (Or is it <a title="@SuperHTML5Rem" href="http://twitter.com/#!/SuperHTML5Rem" target="_blank">SuperHTML5Rem</a>?) in their guises as HTML5 Super Friends, attempting to save the web from itself. It also refers to a slippery terminology slope.</p>
<p>The <a title="W3C HTML5 Logo FAQ Page" href="http://www.w3.org/html/logo/faq.html#mean" target="_blank">FAQ page</a> for the new logo (yes, it gets its own FAQ) includes a little mention about what the logo represents. Which is obvious: HTML5, right? Well, apparently HTML5 doesn&#8217;t stand for Hyper Text Markup Language anymore. But apparently its all for &#8220;<em>a broad set of open web technologies, including HTML5, CSS, SVG, WOFF, and others.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Say what? I&#8217;m with <a title="Badge of Shame: Adactio" href="http://adactio.com/journal/4289/" target="_blank">Jeremy</a> and <a title="On the HTML5 logo: Bruce Lawson's personal site" href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/on-the-html5-logo/" target="_blank">Bruce</a> on this one. The logo is pretty, but the intentional use of HTML5 as a blanket term for other modern web technologies is a crock. Newspapers making merry with the term is one thing, but a web standards organization? We rely on these groups to keep our handy developer toys in nice, cleanly demarcated buckets so that we can easily educate ourselves and the next generation of developers on what toy is used for what job and how.</p>
<p>I could rant on this for hours. But I recommend reading at minimum Jeremy&#8217;s bit on the topic. He manages to be far more eloquent with his words and has earned his place as a bit of an authority on the topic. So maybe you&#8217;ll value his two cents more highly. All I know is that when I used to say &#8220;HTML5&#8243; people knew what I meant. At least in my own community of website creators. But now it&#8217;s as meaningless as &#8220;doohicky.&#8221; As in, &#8220;Are you talking about the doohicky that I style pages with or the doohicky that I make the structure with?&#8221;</p>
<p>TL;DR Version: Love the logo, hate the term-squishing.</p>
<p>As a parting shot, I object to Karl Dubost&#8217;s <a title="In case you are living under a rock, you know by...: Karl Dubost" href="http://my.opera.com/karlcow/blog/2011/01/18/html5-logo" target="_blank">characterization of term-blurring opponents&#8217; commentary</a> as &#8220;<a title="vapid: Wiktionary" href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vapid">vapid</a>&#8220;. I&#8217;m sure Jeremy Keith is capable of a lot of things when writing, but even if you disagree with his viewpoint on the topic, his well reasoned rhetoric doesn&#8217;t merit such a label. Shame on you, Karl.</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: Back To The HTML, Or How Vanilla Ice Saved The Web</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s comic features the year 1991, where a time-traveling Jeremy Keith, a younger John Foliot sporting a ponytail and Vanilla Ice are involved in a pivotal moment of history that would make or break Sir Tim&#8217;s invention of HTML. I am reliably informed by those involved that my version of events is remarkably close to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Link to CSSquirrel #70: Back to the HTML, or How Vanilla Ice Saved the Web" href="/comic/?comic=70">Today&#8217;s comic</a> features the year 1991, where a time-traveling <a title="Link to Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>, a younger <a title="Link to John Foliot" href="http://john.foliot.ca/" target="_blank">John Foliot</a> sporting a ponytail and <a title="Link to Vanilla Ice" href="http://vanillaice.com/" target="_blank">Vanilla Ice</a> are involved in a pivotal moment of history that would make or break Sir Tim&#8217;s invention of HTML.</p>
<p>I am reliably informed by those involved that my version of events is remarkably close to the truth. -cough- Really.</p>
<p>Two things made today&#8217;s comic possible. The first is this glorious snapshot of history: <a title="Link to a picture of Vanilla Ice and John Foliot" href="http://ow.ly/i/33mu" target="_blank">John Foliot hanging with Vanilla Ice</a>. You&#8217;ll note Foliot had that brilliant mustache even in the early nineties. I also couldn&#8217;t help but notice Ice&#8217;s immaculate eyebrows.</p>
<p>The second is this post by Jeremy Keith on the subject of <a title="Link to Hypertext History by Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/journal/1683/" target="_blank">Hypertext History</a>, where he discusses wwilfing his way to the <a title="Link to the Early History of HTML" href="http://infomesh.net/html/history/early/" target="_blank">early history of HTML</a> and gazing upon the source code of the <a title="Link to the first web page ever" href="http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html" target="_blank">very first document published on the web</a>. What&#8217;s really neat is his discovery that the page essentially validates as HTML5. Gadzooks!</p>
<p>Lest ye think he or I are saying Sir Tim was some sort of web prophet predicting HTML5, consider <a title="Link to a comment by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/06/earliest-web-doc-is-html5/#comment-56187" target="_blank">this response</a> by Zeldman on that very topic. The fact is, HTML5 is meant to stretch backwards to be compatible with the best practices of the past while embracing the future. If that spec works so well with the earliest pages, then job well done, folks.</p>
<p>Both the first website and <a title="Link to IMDb on TMNT2" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103060/" target="_blank">Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2</a> appeared to the world in 1991. I was fourteen, a coding geek, and a massive TMNT fan. But even at that young age, something didn&#8217;t quite sit right with Vanilla Ice&#8217;s random musical segment inserted into my turtle movie experience. Yet, as today&#8217;s comic implies, maybe that was for the best. Maybe Ice did us all a favor. Or maybe not.</p>
<p>Take a gander and decide for yourself.</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: Push To Dispense Free Cheese</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/04/18/comic-update-push-to-dispense-free-cheese/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s comic continues the storyline started by the last episode in a display of continuity rarely tolerated here. It continues the celebration of my attendance at An Event Apart: Seattle by showcasing many of the speakers of that groundbreaking event: Andy Clarke, Nicole Sullivan, Jeremy Keith, Eric Meyer, Aarron Walter, Jared Spool, Luke Wroblewski, Jeffrey [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Link to CSsquirrel #61: Push To Dispense Free Cheese" href="/comic/?comic=61">Today&#8217;s comic</a> continues the storyline started by the last episode in a display of continuity rarely tolerated here. It continues the celebration of my attendance at <a title="Link to AEA: Seattle 2010" href="http://aneventapart.com/2010/seattle" target="_blank">An Event Apart: Seattle</a> by showcasing many of the speakers of that groundbreaking event: <a title="Link to Andy Clarke" href="http://forabeautifulweb.com/" target="_blank">Andy Clarke</a>, <a title="Link to Nicole Sullivan" href="http://stubbornella.com/" target="_blank">Nicole Sullivan</a>, <a title="Link to Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>, <a title="Link to Eric Meyer" href="http://meyerweb.com/" target="_blank">Eric Meyer</a>, <a title="Link to Aarron Walter" href="http://aarronwalter.com/" target="_blank">Aarron Walter</a>, <a title="Link to Jared Spool's UIE" href="http://uie.com/" target="_blank">Jared Spool</a>, <a title="Link to Luke Wroblewski" href="http://lukew.com/" target="_blank">Luke Wroblewski</a>, <a title="Link to Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://zeldman.com/" target="_blank">Jeffrey Zeldman</a> and <a title="Link to Dan Cederholm" href="http://simplebits.com/" target="_blank">Dan Cederholm</a>. Also making a noteworthy appearance is Naepalm, the chinchilla alter-ego of <a title="Link to Mindfly Web Studio" href="http://mindfly.com/" target="_blank">Mindfly Web Studio</a> co-worker <a title="Link to Janae on Twitter" href="http://twitter.com/naepalm" target="_blank">Janae</a>.</p>
<p>It also is my response to Jeremy Keith&#8217;s challenge (made at the event) to create an icon for &#8220;Push to Dispense Free Cheese.&#8221; I dare anyone else out there to do better.</p>
<p>No, really. I want to see that.</p>
<p>For the past couple of years I&#8217;ve followed the going-ons of An Event Apart through the Twitterscape. The <a title="Link to CSSquirrel #1: The Ballad of Andy's Bag" href="http://squeee.org/c/1">inaugural comic of CSSquirrel</a> featured AEA: New Orleans 2008 (and Andy Clarke&#8217;s underpants.) This year was the first opportunity I had to attend in person. It blew me away.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with the speakers. They are top notch, cream of the crop, cutting-edge members of our website-making industry. They aren&#8217;t just paving cow paths (HTML5 philosophy notwithstanding). They&#8217;re kicking down the door of the future and lighting up places we&#8217;ve never been before. Even better, they&#8217;re sharing these cutting-edge thoughts with the rest of us.</p>
<p>I am fully incapable of transcribing in a single blog post what I learned there. It took me eight hours of working alongside Janae to figure out how to compress this information into what became four hours of presentation for our esteemed Mindfly colleagues, and that was with access to informative slides.  So instead, let me point you towards some online writings that sum up the event and the lore contained within:</p>
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<li><a title="Link to Best AEA Yet" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2010/04/08/best-aea-yet/" target="_blank">Best AEA Yet (Summary)</a> &#8211; Jeffrey Zeldman</li>
<li><a title="Link to Put Your Worst Foot Forward" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1048" target="_blank">Put Your Worst Foot Forward (Zeldman)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Object Oriented CSS" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1049" target="_blank">Object Oriented CSS (Sullivan)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Anatomy of a Design Decision" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1052" target="_blank">Anatomy of a Design Decision (Spool)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to the CSS3 Experience" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1050" target="_blank">The CSS3 Experience (Cederholm)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Emotional Interface Design" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1051" target="_blank">Emotional Interface Design (Walter)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Paranormal Interactivity" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1054" target="_blank">Paranormal Interactivity (Keith)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Everything Old Is New Again" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1053" target="_blank">Everything Old is New Again (Meyer)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Message and Medium" href="http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1055" target="_blank">Message and Medium: Better Content By Design (Halvorson)</a> &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a title="Link to Seattle Memories" href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/04/16/seattle-memories/" target="_blank">Seattle Memories (Summary)</a> &#8211; Eric Meyer</li>
<li><a title="Link to Article of Doubt" href="http://adactio.com/journal/1654/" target="_blank">Article of Doubt (A Day Apart Summary)</a> &#8211; Jeremy Keith</li>
<li><a title="Link to AEA: Seattle 2010 Flickr Group" href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/aeaseattle10/" target="_blank">AEA Seattle 2010 Flickr Group</a></li>
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<p><img style="border: 1px solid black; margin: 0pt auto; width: 500px; height: 375px; display: block;" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4526919724_db3f61c6b3.jpg" alt="Panic!" width="500" height="375" /></p>
<p>As awesome as the speakers were, another amazing component of the conference was the attendees. I live in lovely Bellingham, WA. It&#8217;s about two hours north of Seattle, is nicely sandwiched between mountains and the bay, and is a great place to live. It is not, however, literally crawling with web designers in the same fashion as large cities like Seattle or New York. So to be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with hundreds of invested, devoted website-making peeps is a heady experience. With people coming from design studios, universities like UW, and even sites like I Can Has Cheezburger, it made for a great opportunity to talk shop with people of all different web design backgrounds.</p>
<p>At some point in the recent past I saw someone ask on Twitter if it was worthwhile to pay for a conference for information they could get later on a blog. I can say for certain that yes, it is. There is a quantity of data being that is shared in live meetings that any attempt by myself or others to fully regurgitate in writing is incapable of matching. Speakers absorb earlier comments by their fellows, incorporating ideas into their own presentations. Crowds at lunch and after-parties discuss the merits of the ideas discussed, bringing the focus of several hundred minds to the same issues in one short period of time. Friends known online become real concrete people with a firm handshake, a booming laugh, and other qualities that engrave the real feel of who they are.</p>
<p>Note to self: I forgot to actually acquire one of <a title="Link to Dylan Wilbanks" href="http://dylanwilbanks.com/" target="_blank">Dylan Wilbank&#8217;s</a> excellent business cards. Dang it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one more comic that will finish this year&#8217;s AEA storyline. But knowing the quality of this event, having finally experienced it firsthand, I can tell you it won&#8217;t be the last time AEA gets the squirrel treatment.</p>
<p>Meyer, Zeldman and everyone else that made my two days in Seattle so awesome: Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: The HTML5 Show (AKA, A Mess)</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2010/01/11/comic-update-the-html5-show-aka-a-mess/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[HTML5 is a mess. That was a phrase in my Refresh presentation in December, when I was speaking of the dueling organizations jockeying for control of the spec. At the time of my writing, I did not know how clean it was by comparison to its status today. Today&#8217;s comic features Hixie the Leviathan interrupting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTML5 is a mess.</p>
<p>That was a phrase in my Refresh presentation in December, when I was speaking of the dueling organizations jockeying for control of the spec.</p>
<p>At the time of my writing, I did not know how clean it was by comparison to its status today.</p>
<p><a title="Link to CSSquirrel #49: The HTML5 Show (AKA, A Mess)" href="/comic/?comic=49">Today&#8217;s comic</a> features Hixie the Leviathan interrupting a Muppet-show like meeting of the W3C HTML5 group. Blame the parody of Henson&#8217;s creations on the commentary of one Mr. Jeremy Keith. Tweets <a title="Link to a tweet by Jeremy Keith" href="http://twitter.com/adactio/statuses/7525708784" target="_blank">like this</a> are candy for people like me. The comic also features <a title="Link to Sam Ruby" href="http://intertwingly.net/blog/" target="_blank">Sam Ruby</a>, <a title="Link to John Foliot" href="http://john.foliot.ca/" target="_blank">John Foliot</a>, <a title="Link to Manu Sporny" href="http://twitter.com/manusporny" target="_blank">Manu Sporny</a>, <a title="Link to Jeremy Keith" href="http://www.adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a> and <a title="Link to Bruce Lawson" href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/" target="_blank">Bruce Lawson</a> as Muppet parodies.</p>
<p>The fact is that it seems that Ian &#8220;Hixie&#8221; Hickson, the HTML5 editor, has taken his ball and gone home. He&#8217;s started splitting out the HTML5 spec on the W3C side of things into a shredded mess, by his own words with the hope that if the <a title="Link to a comment by Hixie on the WHATWG IRC" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100111#l-639" target="_blank">W3C spec becomes a giant mess,</a> people will drift to the WHATWG spec by default. He&#8217;s petulantly<a title="Link to a comment by Hixie on the WHATWG IRC" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100111#l-591" target="_blank"> insisted that microdata (his own creation) is part of HTML</a> despite the recent W3C work that resulted in it being moved out of the spec. He states that the WHATWG spec trumps the W3C spec, so the latter organization has to get over itself and get <a title="Link to a comment by Hixie on the WHATWG IRC" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100111#l-386" target="_blank">back with the program</a>. He&#8217;s implied that he&#8217;d prefer authors (that&#8217;s web designers/developers) stop using HTML5 features as much as they have because <a title="Link to a comment by Hixie on the WHATWG IRC" href="http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100111#l-596" target="_blank">it&#8217;s causing problems</a>. (This further reinforces my belief that Hixie is following an Implementer &gt; Author &gt; User mentality instead of the User &gt; Author &gt; Implementer mentality that HTML was built upon.) <a title="Link to a comment by Hixie on the WHATWG IRC" href="http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-December/024477.html" target="_blank">He&#8217;s made HTML versionless</a>, insisting that HTML5 is a snapshot that he&#8217;s already gone past, and is sitting as monarch for life on the continuing evolution of the spec.</p>
<p>All this from a guy who&#8217;s catch phrase seems to be &#8220;<a title="Link to I don't understand" href="http://www.google.nl/custom?hl=en&amp;client=pub-3888385239967217&amp;channel=1621783585&amp;cof=FORID%3A1%3BGL%3A1%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BLC%3A%230000ff%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3BGFNT%3A%230000ff%3BGIMP%3A%230000ff%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3B&amp;sitesearch=krijnhoetmer.nl%2Firc-logs%2F&amp;q=%22%3CHixie%3E+i+don%27t+understand%22&amp;btnG=Search" target="_blank">I don&#8217;t understand.</a>&#8221; Which is, to me, a dangerous trait in a person empowered with absolute rule over the spec.</p>
<p>In short, like Jeremy, I&#8217;m frustrated with a lot of the recent HTML-related issues from the front of advocacy. I&#8217;ve tried to sell HTML5 (and it&#8217;s grab-bag of toys) to co-workers, peers in web design, total strangers, and friends who didn&#8217;t escape a conversation early enough. I want to see it used more, so the browsers speed up implementation of juicy features, so I can use it even more excessively, and so on.</p>
<p>But if people don&#8217;t even know if HTML5 exists anymore, or the status of the organizations working on it seem to be out of whack, why would they bother using the &lt;video&gt; tag or exploring &lt;canvas&gt;? We need to give people something to work with. Which means we need to not have insane grandstanding by a single individual.</p>
<p>But hey, this is just one squirrel&#8217;s view: HTML5 is a mess.</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: Slowing Down at the Pilcrow Public House</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2009/12/21/comic-update-slowing-down-at-the-pilcrow-public-house/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s comic features a rather large cast of web designers (Eric Meyer, Ethan Marcotte, Dan Cederholm, Elliot Jay Stocks and Jeremy Keith) doing nothing involving the web. Rather, each of them has traveled to the Pilcrow Public House for a tall drink and a leisurely respite. Although I&#8217;m deeply in love with the Internet and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Link to CSSquirrel #48: Slowing Down at the Pilcrow Public House" href="/comic/?comic=48">Today&#8217;s comic</a> features a rather large cast of web designers (<a title="Link to Eric Meyer" href="http://www.meyerweb.com/" target="_blank">Eric Meyer</a>, <a title="Link to Unstoppable Robot Ninja" href="http://www.unstoppablerobotninja.com/" target="_blank">Ethan Marcotte</a>, <a title="Link to SimpleBits" href="http://www.simplebits.com/" target="_blank">Dan Cederholm</a>, <a title="Link to Elliot Jay Stocks" href="http://www.elliotjaystocks.com/" target="_blank">Elliot Jay Stocks</a> and <a title="Link to Adactio" href="http://www.adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>) doing nothing involving the web. Rather, each of them has traveled to the Pilcrow Public House for a tall drink and a leisurely respite.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m deeply in love with the Internet and its delicious offerings, I find that the 21st century is running at a pace that is accelerating and doesn&#8217;t allow for much leisure, even during your leisure time. My own plate is rather full, even outside my work hours, with various online and offline activities that result in my bitter laughter when someone asks what I&#8217;m doing with my spare time this week.</p>
<p>If, as a web developer, I were to fashion a pub, I&#8217;d probably call it the <a title="Link to the Wikipedia article on &quot;pilcrow&quot;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilcrow" target="_blank">Pilcrow</a>. I&#8217;m blaming all the typography nuts that are in my feed reader. Hence it plays stage for a look at what I imagine leisure would be like in the middle of nowhere, preferably without any wifi or 3G signals, leaving you with no choice but to put down the phone and look at who&#8217;s next to you.</p>
<p>True to the premise of slowing down, this comic was inspired by some older posts on the blogs of the notables above. When Dan Cederholm updated the design of SimpleBits, he spoke briefly in his post <a title="Link to Woodpress by Dan Cederholm" href="http://simplebits.com/notebook/2009/10/22/woodpress/" target="_blank">Woodpress</a> about his desire to start writing posts more often, and not for search engines or tutorials, but for conversation.</p>
<p>Ethan Marcotte picked up the thread in an entry by the <a title="Link to Woodpress by Ethan Marcotte" href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/entry/woodpress/" target="_blank">same name</a>, complimenting Dan&#8217;s redesign and realizing that his &#8220;quasi-tumblog&#8221; wasn&#8217;t entirely cracked up as he wanted it to be.  He then quoted a sentence from this post by <a title="Link to a post by Merlin Mann" href="http://www.kungfugrippe.com/post/194232404/oh-sure-we-kid-dan-brown-how-can-you-not" target="_blank"><cite>Merlin Mann</cite></a> that really hit me where it counts: <q>Jesus, I miss paragraphs.</q></p>
<p>Amen to that. I love Twitter. It&#8217;s a great way to get an idea out quickly, to share links and views among peers when time is short or when dealing with a keyboard the size of my thumb. But sometimes I feel like I&#8217;ve lost the ability to take my time and write at length because of that need to get the ideas out quickly.</p>
<p>The clincher for me was Elliot Jay Stocks&#8217; contribution to 24ways.org (the web designer&#8217;s advent calender) entitled <a title="Link to A Pet Project if For Life, Not Just For Christmas" href="http://24ways.org/2009/a-pet-project-is-for-life-not-just-for-christmas" target="_blank">A Pet Project is For Life, Not Just For Christmas</a>. It&#8217;s a great read, discussing the need for our own pet projects as a form of relieving work pressure, collaborating with friends, and improving our quality of life. I couldn&#8217;t agree more. CSSquirrel is in essence a pet project, but lacks that collaborative nature that can be so addicting. I need to find some quality geeks and a wacky idea and get rolling. To me, these sort of projects are an equivalent the fixer-uppers in the garages of our fathers. They&#8217;re there for some peace and the opportunity to play with your toolset.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know about you, but one of my New Year&#8217;s Resolutions is to find a way to slow down where it counts, and tinker more where it doesn&#8217;t. Or the reverse of that. I&#8217;m not sure which.</p>
<p>(Regarding Meyer and Keith&#8217;s presence in the comic: Eric Meyer wrote on Twitter about <a title="Link to a tweet by Eric Meyer" href="http://twitter.com/meyerweb/statuses/6579164069" target="_blank">applying to truck-driver&#8217;s school</a> on a day off. Fictitious or real, I found it hilarious. I also recently re-discovered the <a title="Link to Salter Cane" href="http://www.saltercane.com/" target="_blank">Salter Cane</a> website, featuring a band including one Jeremy Keith on bouzouki. I&#8217;ve found the music rather enjoyable, and may have to purchase one of their albums.)</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: The Death of Geocities and the Robot Apocalpyse</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2009/10/26/the-death-of-geocities-and-the-robot-apocalpyse/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, Geocities dies a quiet whimpering death after fifteen years in operation. Along with millions of really bad web pages (such as ones I once made just after high-school involving neon colors and table-based &#8216;designs&#8217;), it dragged screaming into the void no doubt thousands of good web pages. Now, millions of links on the Internet [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a title="Link to Wikipedia article on Geocities" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeoCities" target="_blank">Geocities</a> dies a quiet whimpering death after fifteen years in operation. Along with millions of really bad web pages (such as ones I once made just after high-school involving neon colors and table-based &#8216;designs&#8217;), it dragged screaming into the void no doubt thousands of good web pages. Now, millions of links on the Internet point to nothing, to a void from which nothing returns. It&#8217;s not the <a title="Link to previous CSSquirrel blog post." href="/2009/04/20/comic-update-the-zombie-link-apocalypse/">link rot apocalypse</a>, but it&#8217;s a small glimpse into what it could look like.</p>
<p><a title="Link to Jeremy Keith's Adactio" href="http://www.adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a> has made it <a title="Link to an adactio blog post called Tears in the Rain" href="http://adactio.com/journal/1621/" target="_blank">very clear he&#8217;s mad</a> about this, much more so than I could ever care to muster. I&#8217;m personally glad some of my past embarrassments are now quietly euthanized, but he likes to look at the long picture. This is a picture I can&#8217;t really bring into focus myself, but <a title="Link to CSSquirrel #42: The Death of Geocities and the Robot Apocalypse" href="/comic/?comic=42">today&#8217;s comic</a> (starring Jeremy) posits a future where, tragically, Geocities held a key we needed to save humanity.</p>
<p>When I look at this objectively (rather then in embarrassment at my own past efforts at web &#8220;design&#8221;) I&#8217;d have to say that the tragedy here is the loss of a large chunk of late-twentieth/early twenty-first century information about our society and culture. The Internet is notable for both its size and general lack of backups. The more of it we lose, the less our great-grandchildren will know about who we were. I don&#8217;t currently have children, but if I ever did, I&#8217;d like my descendants to know I spent a great deal of time obsessing over squirrels.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be more than I know about my own ancestors.</p>
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		<title>Comic Update: Conversation Sans Semantics</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2009/09/21/comic-update-conversation-sans-semantics/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today&#8217;s comic features Jeremy Keith, HTML5 &#8220;Doctor&#8221; Mike Robinson and the squirrel having an innocent conversation about Thai food and emails going where they don&#8217;t belong, while the poor Google-bot attempts to understand who is speaking without semantic guidance. I should warn you, a specific body part&#8217;s medical term is used a few times. All [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Link to CSSquirrel #37: Conversation Sans Semantics" href="/comic/?comic=37">Today&#8217;s comic</a> features <a title="Link to Jeremy Keith's website: Adactio" href="http://www.adactio.com/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a>, HTML5 &#8220;<a title="Link to HTML5 Doctor" href="http://www.html5doctor.com/" target="_blank">Doctor</a>&#8221; <a title="Link to Mike Robinson's website: akamike" href="http://akamike.net/" target="_blank">Mike Robinson</a> and the squirrel having an innocent conversation about <a title="Link to Principia Gastronomica post about Unithai" href="http://principiagastronomica.com/post/37" target="_blank">Thai food</a> and emails going where they don&#8217;t belong, while the poor Google-bot attempts to understand who is speaking without semantic guidance. I should warn you, a specific body part&#8217;s medical term is used a few times. All in good taste, mind you.</p>
<p>The reason that these two fine England-dwelling individuals join the squirrel in the strip is that each of them also had a <a title="Link to the post Devil in the Details at Jeremy Keith's blog" href="http://adactio.com/journal/1609/" target="_blank">slight</a> <a title="Link to a tweet by Mike Robinson" href="http://twitter.com/akamike/statuses/4008187173" target="_blank">issue</a> with something that I found distasteful over the week: HTML5 documentation giving guidance for using non-semantic markup as a solution for marking conversations in HTML. The markup in question for a short time suggested using the <strong>b</strong> tag to note a speaker, with the text of the speech being in <strong>p</strong> tags. A short bit of criticism later and that was dropped, but as you can see <a title="Link to HTML5 Working Draft section on conversations" href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/commands.html#conversations" target="_blank">here</a>, there&#8217;s no replacement suggestions yet for any semantic solution.</p>
<p>Look. It&#8217;s 2009. We&#8217;re working on HTML5. We know that semantic-free markup (or semantically-confused markup) is something best avoided when possible. A conversation is one of the basic methods of human communication. I&#8217;m going to guess 99.999% of all people have at least one conversation daily. At least a portion of these end up on the web. Is there any reason to assume that we wouldn&#8217;t want to make this data more accessible for machines and screen-readers to understand?</p>
<p>The proposed <strong>dialog </strong>element has apparently gone the way of the dodo. I don&#8217;t know if this is good or bad. But I&#8217;d like some sort of method to markup conversation that isn&#8217;t arbitrary and devoid of meaning. And, contrary to the opinion put forth in this <a title="Link to &quot;Re: what is dt?&quot; by Stephen Stewart" href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0614.html" target="_blank">W3C mailing list email</a>, I&#8217;m going to believe that my opinion on this matter is valid despite my tendency to draw squirrels. Ever since making the commitment to providing transcripts of the comics I create, I&#8217;m invested in having some method to mark up conversation. I&#8217;m also in the camp that prefers that markup to make sense.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know all the pros and cons, but I like the proposal put forth by the HTML5 Super Friends in their list of <a title="Link to HTML5 Super Friends list of concerns" href="http://www.zeldman.com/superfriends/guide/" target="_blank">concerns</a>: let&#8217;s use <strong>cite</strong> and <strong>q</strong>, or at the very least do some research to see how well that one works out. It makes sense, it&#8217;s simple, and we don&#8217;t have to invent new elements. I for one am going to start using them going forward until something that makes more sense comes along.</p>
<p>But enough with suggesting semantic-free elements for markup. We&#8217;ve already got div and span, I don&#8217;t really see the need for <strong>b</strong> and <strong>i</strong> to keep rearing their ugly heads.</p>
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