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		<title>Comic Update: Manners After the XHTMLacolypse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, it was declared that the XHTML2 WG was being discontinued, so the resources could be focused on HTML5. I briefly mentioned it here, and Jeffrey Zeldman spoke about it here. It&#8217;s a simple enough matter, and drew a lot of mixed responses. That in itself isn&#8217;t surprising. What was surprising was how all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, it was declared that the XHTML2 WG was being discontinued, so the resources could be focused on HTML5. I briefly mentioned it <a title="Link to Goodbye XHTML2" href="http://www.cssquirrel.com/2009/07/02/goodbye-xhtml2/">here</a>, and <a title="Link to a post by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2009/07/02/xhtml-wtf/" target="_blank">Jeffrey Zeldman spoke about it here</a>. It&#8217;s a simple enough matter, and drew a lot of mixed responses. That in itself isn&#8217;t surprising.</p>
<p>What was surprising was how all of a sudden it seemed that it became open hunting season on insulting developers that used XHTML 1 (which is not XHTML2) and gloating over the corpse of the standard before it had even cooled. As two examples, Henri Sivonen produced an <a title="Link to Unofficial Q&amp;A" href="http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml2-html5-q-and-a/" target="_blank">unofficial &#8220;Q&amp;A&#8221; </a>complete with snark, and Mark Pilgrim invented a <a title="Link to Pilgrim's childish rhyme" href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2009/07/06/this-is-the-house" target="_blank">taunting childish rhyme</a> that reveled in the folly of those he disagreed with. Pilgrim in his case even named Jeffrey Zeldman directly in his taunts (and got even worse in behavior in his comments on that post.)</p>
<p>This sort of behavior annoys me on two levels. One, it&#8217;s not a great way to treat your professional peers, as it crosses the line from attacking a technology to attacking people. Two, it confuses (in some cases intentionally) XHTML and XHTML2, making it seem as if the death of the latter somehow invalidated the former, which isn&#8217;t the case at all.</p>
<p>Fortunately, good men didn&#8217;t let that sort of behavior slide. John Allsopp rightfully called some of the taunters out for their snark (<a title="Link to a tweet by John Allsopp" href="http://twitter.com/johnallsopp/statuses/2510879270" target="_blank">as recorded in this tweet here</a>), and that became the basis for <a title="Link to CSSquirrel #26: Manners After the XHTMLacolypse" href="/comic/?comic=26">today&#8217;s comic</a>, which imagines a post-apocalyptic world where this sort of poor manners must be corrected by brave warriors in the wasteland.</p>
<p>Also helping correct misconceptions and bad behavior were good posts by <a title="Link to Misunderstanding Markup by Jeremy Keith" href="http://adactio.com/journal/1595/" target="_blank">Jeremy Keith</a> and <a title="Link to In Defense of Developers by Jeffrey Zeldman" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2009/07/07/in-defense-of-web-developers/" target="_blank">Jeffrey Zeldman</a>. If you&#8217;re confused about the whole XHTML issue this week, take a look at what they&#8217;ve written. It&#8217;s instructive.</p>
<p>Was XHTML2&#8242;s death a good thing? I don&#8217;t know. I do know that we can discuss the technology in a fashion that doesn&#8217;t involve insulting the people involved, though. Keep it clean, folks.</p>
<p><strong>Note:</strong> I wrote this in about eight minutes at the end of my lunch. As such, it might expand later when I have the chance to be more verbose and thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>Goodbye XHTML2?</title>
		<link>http://cssquirrel.com/blog/2009/07/02/goodbye-xhtml2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Weems</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I know about XHTML2 I could fit in a small teaspoon&#8230; if knowledge was measured by liquid measurements. So I&#8217;m not strongly attached to the spec, its future, or its past. That isn&#8217;t to say those things don&#8217;t matter, merely that I&#8217;m not too aware of them. However, today it&#8217;s been announced that the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I know about XHTML2 I could fit in a small teaspoon&#8230; if knowledge was measured by liquid measurements. So I&#8217;m not strongly attached to the spec, its future, or its past. That isn&#8217;t to say those things don&#8217;t matter, merely that I&#8217;m not too aware of them.</p>
<p>However, <a title="Link to W3C News Archive" href="http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item119" target="_blank">today it&#8217;s been announced</a> that the W3C&#8217;s XHTML2 working group will not be renewed after its charter expires this year, so that the resources can be focused on HTML5.</p>
<p>Considering the editorial bottle-necking the HTML5 spec has (aka, Ian Hickson as the sole editor and a track record for NIH mentality) I&#8217;m not sure how much these resources will impact the spec&#8217;s maturation speed. However, I am glad that they&#8217;re making this move as everyone and his cousin agrees that HTML5 is important, even if they&#8217;re not quite sure how/if it works.</p>
<p>In particular, I found John Allsopp&#8217;s recent tweets about HTML5 to be a very interesting look at the spec&#8217;s current status (<a title="Link to a tweet by John Allsopp" href="http://twitter.com/johnallsopp/status/2398454378" target="_blank">here&#8217;s an example</a>), which gives me the impression it needs all the help it can get to reach a stable state.</p>
<p>Speaking of help, I wanted to mention <a title="Link to HTML5 Doctor" href="http://html5doctor.com/" target="_blank">HTML5 Doctor</a>, brought to you by <a title="Link to HTML5 Stubborness and Snogging" href="/comic/?comic=22" target="_self">snogtastic</a> Bruce Lawson, Rich Clark, Jack Osborne, Mike Robinson, Remy Sharp and Tom Leadbetter. Got a HTML5 question? They&#8217;re here to help! (No, really, they&#8217;re really helpful.)</p>
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